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Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk

Message » 04 Nov 2013 19:12

Bonjour à tous.

Pour info, Ted a connaissance de ce topic et j'espère qu'il viendra poster de temps en temps ici ;)

Voici l'explication qu'il m'a donné par email concernant le 24p à 24.00 Hz. Tout d'abord ça ne gêne aucunement les sondes, ensuite la calibration à 24.00 Hz est totalement applicable à 23.976 Hz. Le choix de 24.00 Hz s'est imposé à Ted pour assurer une parfaite synchronisation avec Light Space CMS (ce qui s'est avéré payant puisque tous les utilisateurs de LSCMS sont ravis).

De mon côté j'ai prévu de faire un quick profil ce week end, je ne manquerai pas de vous faire un retour ici.

Dans tous les cas, ce disque est une petite bombe dans le monde de la calibration que l'on possède Calman V5, Chromapure ou LSCMS (voire pas de logiciel du tout)

A posséder absolument :idee:
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Message » 04 Nov 2013 22:42

Ted m'a envoyé un MP sur avs forum, il me donnera des news pour alimenter le topic :D

Sinon tu me fait envie avec tes retours :mdr: maintenant faut que tu achetes un graveur de bd :ko: :ane:

Ps : petite news, Ted ma dit qu'une version light sera prévue uniquement pour le free LightSpace dps...
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Message » 04 Nov 2013 23:41

Mise à jour drs features du disque de Ted


http://www.displaycalibrations.com/disk_features.html

(voir les photos post 1)
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Message » 04 Nov 2013 23:56

realzven a écrit:Ted m'a envoyé un MP sur avs forum, il me donnera des news pour alimenter le topic :D

Sinon tu me fait envie avec tes retours :mdr: maintenant faut que tu achetes un graveur de bd :ko: :ane:

Ps : petite news, Ted ma dit qu'une version light sera prévue uniquement pour le free LightSpace dps...


good :)

Pas besoin de graveur, mon OPPO BD93 sait lire les ISO décompressés ;) (mais je viens quand même de commander un graveur et un BD25 pour pouvoir utiliser le blu-ray sur l'oppo BD83SE que j'utilise au salon)

Pour rappel, vous pouvez acheter le blu-ray physique via le site de TED, à priori l'expédition est très rapide, environ 5 jours ouvrés en moyenne: http://www.displaycalibrations.com/disk_copy_order.html
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Message » 05 Nov 2013 23:30

Users feedback : http://www.displaycalibrations.com/view ... dback.html

Ps : Thanks to Ted...
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Message » 08 Nov 2013 15:30

CR du disque de TED sur AVS Forum :

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JJ's Review of Ted’s Cal Disk :

I luv Ted’s LUT CMS Cal Disk! It represents the first steps into a new world of LUT calibration for Home Cinema/Theater with Light Space (LS). Two words describe Ted’s innovative product: Simple and Complete.

1.Simple: 4 Steps:
a.Measure your probe’s max delay time;
b.Set your patch color read interval (DIP);
c.Start the profile run;
d.Verify the calibration LUT and watch a blu ray movie.

2.Complete: Ted’s LUT Cal Disk:
a.Calibrates the complete video signal path from the Blu Ray Player through to the Display Device;
b.Provides a complete set of Patch Colors and visual Reference Images for pre-calibration display and meter/probe set up, the Light Space LUT profile run and verifying the Calibration LUT. The flow of Ted’s main menu (left to right) reflects this workflow order:
i.Pre-Calibration Tools: Ted’s Ref Images for Pre-Calibration Display and Meter/Probe Setup;
ii.Display Characterization: Ted’s 4,934 Patch Colors (max) used for the Profile Run (i.e. Light Space’s Unique “Calibration” Run);
iii.Color Reproduction: Ted’s Reference Images used for visually Verifying the Calibration LUT by examining Reference Image through (eeColor's) LUT onto the display;
iv.Verify Calibration Tools: Ted’s 4,934 Color Patches (max) used to Verify the Calibration LUT via Light Space’s 3D Modeling Tool and traditionally through Chromapure and CalMAN.

Note: As with other Calibration Disks, you’ll need your own flesh tone images for verification.

I use Light Space with eeColor to calibrate my TVs and Epson Projectors. I’ve seen gamma “quirks” introduced by my OPPO 95 blu ray player which only Light Space can correct (i.e. OPPO does not have sophisticated gamma controls) … so Ted’s LUT Cal Disk is absolutely needed.

So, what's Light Space? These are my thoughts and my own words to describe the value of Light Space LUT CMS Calibration Program based on hundreds of profile runs I’ve performed at home with a K10A and PR-670 meters:

5 Ways to Improve the Picture with LS: Light Space can improve one's picture in 5 different ways (see 1 through 5 below). The first 2 are common with many calibration programs. The last 3 are what gives Light Space its WOW factor. I’ve provided links to the Light Space website for further information. This is what I read to learn Light Space Calibration Fundamentals. If I can do it, you can do it :

1.Display Setup: http://www.lightillusion.com/display_calibration.html ;
2.Probe/Integration: http://www.lightillusion.com/probe_use.html ;
3.LS Profile Math: See below for my explanation ;
4.Eye/Visual Feedback for Post Calibration LUT modification (i.e., correcting grn hues in the gray scale shadows). Search for the word "Filters" twice. It's the second one: http://www.lightillusion.com/lightspace_manual.html ;
5.Source (e.g. Blu Ray Movies) modification with Photoshop: http://www.lightillusion.com/lut_image.html .

Light Space's WOW Factors: Of the 3 WOW factors, (3, 4, and 5 above), LS Profiling Math is the dominate factor for calibration. The other 2 factors (4 and 5) are used after the Calibration LUT has been created so one can make visual “tweaks” (minor changes) to the Calibration LUT. All 5 factors collectively have given me a better picture than any other calibration program I’ve used on the market.

Light Space’s “3D Profiling Math”: is a major differentiating quality factor. LS’s mathematical profiling dramatically increases the precision, range and speed of each color adjustment beyond anything the display or any other calibration software package is capable of doing. Speed, Range and Precision are the cornerstones for accurate display adjustments.

1.Range: can be explained as LS's ability to leverage the display’s oversaturated native gamut to mathematically fine tune the accuracy of the targeted gamut (rec709) … especially at the outside walls of the LUT. One could talk about “meat on the bone” here. The LUT walls are the extreme regions of color space which are most prone to error because this is where a display’s design limitations will be encountered.

2.Precision and Speed: can be explained as a one-two combination of high speed (need a K10A) hard reads (4,913) and LS profiling math that takes into account the display’s design limitations in technology, gamma, color temperature, RGB separation and gamut when adjusting colors. The precision and accuracy of 4,913 hard reads for a 17^3 LUT, when coupled with LS math, will produce over 32,000 accurate color control points for a display. From here, one can analyze and fine tune the display’s 3D color accuracy with diagnostic and modification tools within LS. When eeColor image processor is added to the math, the precision is increased by LS to over 274,000 accurate color control points. These 274,000 accurate color points will control the accuracy of 16.77 million colors for an 8 bit color depth display. LS’s increased range and precision of over 32,000 color control points affects the color adjustment of each of the mini3's 125 control points. The fact the LS is fast allows a professional calibrator to run a 4,913 point calibration (33min) with mods and verification within 1 hour (need K10A). If you use Ted’s LUT CMS Calibration Disk, the total time to collectively generate a calibration LUT(1hr 22min), create mods and perform verification is roughly 1.87 hrs. I would go as far as claiming LS’s range and precision adjustments have produced near perfect shadow grays for my Sony TVs and Epson Projectors where shadow grays are really gray … not grays with slight blue or green or red discoloration. Note: Both THX and ISF classes teach the students to bump Blu Offset a couple of clicks as part of the post calibration workflow to get rid of green!

Item 4, LS Internal LUT Modification Tools: In terms of modifying an existing Calibration LUT, there are 2 sets of tools one can use, for 2 different reasons. Item 4 use LS Filter tools for modifying the gray scale line, particularly in the shadows ... in 3 Dimensions! Visualize the 4,913 LUT cube and a gray scale line extending from the black corner to white corner (it’s a diagonal line going through the middle of the 3D LUT). Light Space provides modification Filter tools that can help keep the gray scale line … gray. The modification tools "tweak" the color and luminance anomalies of the gray scale line and controls the extent to which near by colors are affected by the modification (in 3 dimensions) through range (Low, High), blend and radius settings. I use Relax 0.04, Axis Blend and Smooth Filters, at times. I've had Calibration LUTs where no mods were needed ... but I use Relax at 4% all the time just to be safe. Note: I use mods to imply use of Filters or mods through Photoshop. Generically, they are called mods.

Item 5, LS LUT Modification through Photoshop: permits Photoshop to be used to modify a picture that is imbedded in a Calibration LUT. When you change the picture using Photoshop tools, it automatically changes the Calibration LUT. I’ve done a number of mods for movies. Each Photoshop mod is unique to a specific movie. Not all movies need mods. Not all movies can be mod’d because one has to find ways to limit the extent of the mod to avoid “unintended consequences” in all the scenes. I’ve used Light Space and Photoshop to successfully do this and the changes were noticeable.

The Future of Home Cinema Calibration: The mere existence of both Light Space modification tools (4 and 5) suggests to me that the future of Home Cinema calibration will extend into 3 Dimensional modification of the Calibration LUT and of Source Content, such as Blu Ray movies. My most complicated Blu Ray movie mod took me 2 months to do and resulted in lifting an image of a near invisible space ship without affecting the rest of the “Prometheus” movie.

Wrap Up: So, please consider Ted’s LUT CMS Calibration Disk. It’s very good. Also, consider Light Space (they have 2 offerings for Home Cinema) and eeColor box (or a radiance box if you already have one) as an investment for the future, the future of LUT calibration in Home Cinema. IMHO, Light Space is leading this effort and is, pardon the pun, light years ahead of the competition.

Kind Regards,

JJ

P.S. If you're interest in a consolidated explanation of how to use Light Space: http://www.lightillusion.com/idiots_guide.html

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Message » 08 Nov 2013 15:34

un autre CR sur http://www.avsforum.com/t/1454804/teds-lightspace-cms-calibration-disk/180#post_23924609

I had some time to explore the complete disc. It's really an awsome bunge of calibration and verification pattern that I never found on any other disc.
Also I'd run a quick profile with LighSpace DPS and Ted's disc to verify my TV's calibration done with a Radiance as generator and Calman 5.1 with C6 meter. The disc synced perfect with LightSpace.

For that value of money Ted's disc is clearly the best on the market and a must have for every calibrator or enthusiast.

Thank's Ted for Your great work !
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Message » 08 Nov 2013 15:58

Merci.

Je confirme ce retour. Je compte tester plus en profondeur le disque de Ted pendant le WE ;)

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Message » 08 Nov 2013 19:05

on attend ton feedback :mdr: :wink:
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Message » 10 Nov 2013 10:06

Bonjour à tous.

Hier j'ai utilisé le disque de Ted afin de voir quels sont les contrôles qu'il permet de réaliser quand on ne possède pas de sonde. Et bien c'est vraiment très complet:

    - lumière : les mires classiques (vraiment bien faites) mais aussi des mires proches du noir
    - contraste : les mires classiques (vraiment bien faites) mais aussi les mires proches du blanc à 235 ou 255
    - clipping RGBCMYW
    - Température couleur: en fait certaines mires permettent de vérifier que sur 6 valeurs d'IRE différentes on a bien une température de couleur globalement identique donc à l'oeil on peut juste discerner l'équilibre RGB. Pour aller plus loin il faut une sonde
    - uniformité de l'écran
    - restitution des couleurs de l'ensemble du cube RGB (du moins le plus possible) à la fois sur le plan horizontal et vertical: très pratique pour déceler un éventuel banding ou un mauvais décodage
- sharpness : mires classiques et des mires par couleur RGBCMY

Bref, ce disque est réellement à posséder. Et quelle simplicité de navigation !

Aujourd'hui (ou demain) j'ai prévu de faire un quick profil via Light Space CMS HCL.

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Message » 11 Nov 2013 0:18

Merci Alex, faut que je le teste aussi 8) mais je n'ai pas de graveur :evil:

Je vais à la Fnac avec mon iso voir s'il peuvent me le graver sur bd :ko:
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Message » 11 Nov 2013 22:27

Nouvelle version MP4 en approche :D

Currenty I'm Encoding the MP4 Media Files Version of the disk, it will require 2 weeks to complete; almost 300 hours of encoding needed because I'm using the highest quality settings available.

Media Player Edition of the Disk will be useful for profiling/calibrating/evaluating other than Blu-Ray Sources, like Satellites, Media Players etc. for Video Range Signal (16-235 Levels)


MP4 Files Featured Contents Link (For LightSpace/CalMAN/ChromaPure Users)

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Message » 12 Nov 2013 3:28

Une vidéo Ted's LightSpace cal disk et LightSpace cms

[youtube]cnJmE980G_8[/youtube]
This is a recorded video that proofs the perfect Sync between the Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk as a Source for the displaying of the 4913 Colors of a 17-Point Cube.

I opened the DIP Mode (7sec) Chapter of my Disk with Media Player Classic HC, Media Player Classic Window supposed to be your Display , I pressed only one Synced Mouse Click and after 9 hours and 22 minutes it's still Synced Perfectly!

Check that picture before playing the video:

Image

To help you about what you are seeing, the BLUE HightlighTED Box is the LightSpace Internal Pattern Generator Window....

The RED HightlighTED Box is the Media Player that is playing the Chapter Video i'm using for the Disk, this window supposed to be your target display you are profiling....

The GREEN Arrow indicates the 11.11% Window Pattern supposed to be centered at yout Profiling Display...

*** I used DIP Mode 7 Sec Chapter only for demonstration of the Perfect Sync between the sofware and my Disk. DIP Mode time depends on the probe and the display you are profiling, and might be shorter than 9 hours. To my KURO Display with iD3 using 1.5sec Probe Intergration Time, i'm using the 6 Sec DIP Mode Chapter (8 Hours). This is because KURO has the deepest Black and this is taking more time for the meter to read it, so to stay in Sync i had to use that Chapter. Dark shades generally is taking more time to be measured...***
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Message » 12 Nov 2013 19:03

Bonjour à tous.

J'ai laissé mon retour utilisateur sur le site de Ted, sans surprise il est donc très positif: http://www.displaycalibrations.com/view ... dback.html

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Message » 12 Nov 2013 19:21

:thks: :wink:
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