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Message » 11 Juil 2014 5:52

Sur un sub, un écart de température de 5° va demander a passer d'une enceinte close de 40L a une enceinte clos de 80L, c'est le Vas qui bouge énormément avec les différences de température.

La fait d'avoir garder le micro a la meme température que les enceinte fausse la mesure car vous avez du coup changé plusieurs paramètres, donc impossible de dire que la température a tel ou tel effet sur les enceintes/piece, si vos enceinte font +2db a 25° par rapport a 20 et que votre micro fait -2db a 25° alors vous ne mesurerez aucune variation et pourtant il y en a eu
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Message » 11 Juil 2014 7:52

Sur un sub, un écart de température de 5° va demander a passer d'une enceinte close de 40L a une enceinte clos de 80L, c'est le Vas qui bouge énormément avec les différences de température.

Non LaurentG93 et c'est fort heureux. Le Vas dépend de la masse volumique de l'air(Rho) et, de la célérité(c) élevée au carré, (Vas=Cas.Rho.c²). Pour de l'air sec à une altitude donnée, et pression atmosphérique constante le terme Rho.c² est constant, donc indépendant de la température. A un Cas donné ,le Vas ne varie pas. Cela se traduit, dans ces conditions, par une indépendance des élasticités misent en jeu, vis à vis des variations de la température ambiante.
Par contre pour une enceinte Bass-Reflex, la masse acoustique de l’évent dépend de l'impédance intrinsèque de l'air (Zi= Rho.c) qui elle dépend de la température. La fréquence d'accord de l'enceinte dépend donc (légèrement) de la température.
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Message » 26 Juil 2014 18:19

Juste un petit retour sur le micro Thomann MM-1
A l’usage, aucun problème sauf peut-être son poids sur le pied du micro.

Sa courbe « papier » :
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Et par curiosité l’appareil qui a permis de sortir cette courbe :
http://www.okspeaker.com/products_detai ... 4d788.html
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Message » 27 Juil 2014 0:36

Hello,
La courbe n'est pas mal … avec la bosse dans les aigus si souvent retrouvée avec les micros de cette catégorie .
As tu entré un fichier .mic sous arta pour activer la compensation ?
J'ai aujourd'hui effectué un fichier txt depuis la courbe de réponse de mon apex 220 avec engauge digit + excel mais une fois renommé .mic et chargé dans arta, je ne retrouve à l'affichage, ni la courbe du micro ni les bonnes valeurs :roll: :cry: , une idée ?


Fichier .mic
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21.1257 -3.85722
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23.2516 -3.50208
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Message » 27 Juil 2014 10:49

Une histoire de point ou de virgule, ou le séparateur entre fréquence et dB (tab ou space)?
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Message » 27 Juil 2014 10:58

De ce que j ai pu lire , il faut des points et non des virgules sous arta en tout cas ...
Concernant le séparateur , je ne sais pas :roll: ... Comme je l ai dit arta m affiche bien une courbe mais complètement a l ouest de la courbe de mesure du micro , rien a voir ...

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Message » 27 Juil 2014 13:57

Un point comme séparateur décimal et des espaces ou tab entre les valeurs pour Arta. Ca a l'air correct, a moins que le séparateur de fin de ligne ne soit pas bon.

Une photo de la courbe affichée par ARTA ?

Ca marche avec un autre fichier ? tu peux en prendre un au hasard ici, serial 1234 par exemple pour tester la procédure d'import.
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Message » 27 Juil 2014 17:54

Here's the MM1 t-bone calibration file.

avec sa phase.

MM1 t-bone calibration

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Message » 27 Juil 2014 19:27

En voilà une idée qu'elle est bonne. :thks: :ohmg: :thks: :friend:
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Message » 27 Juil 2014 20:10

De mon côté , j'ai réussi ( merci à Jim aussi qui m'a aidé :friend: ) en modifiant les espaces et les alignements a retrouver la courbe de mesure du micro sous rata, une bonne chose de faite …
Alors thierry , c'est quand que tu passes à la maison ? :wink:

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Message » 27 Juil 2014 21:01

:) Hello Ced,

Bah oui,à la rentrée,on pourra se faire ça.
je pars toute cette semaine.Après ...boulot :-?
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Message » 29 Juil 2014 23:40

thierry38efd a écrit::) Hello Ced,

Bah oui,à la rentrée,on pourra se faire ça.
je pars toute cette semaine.Après ...boulot :-?


Pas de pb comme tu le sais , j'attends tes dates par mp ;)

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Message » 30 Juil 2014 1:04

peux etre faudrait il envoyer un mail pour demander de lire le sms qui dit de regarder le MP sur le forum ?

ce serait plus sur.

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Message » 30 Juil 2014 8:47

Mdr ...
Pour en revenir aux mesures , j ai donc activé la compensation via arta , cela me crée un énorme pic vers les 5khz :ko: sur la courbe lissée ! Pic qui disparaît biensur en désactivant la compensation ... Une idée :roll:

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Message » 30 Juil 2014 9:11

Voici ta correction importée dans REW (très simple a faire)

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Il y a bien un problème avec les valeurs autour de 4288.23Hz
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