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JVC DLA-X5500 e-Shift UHD, HDR & HLG

Message » 21 Déc 2016 20:47

Bonjour,

Les infos préliminaires concernant la nouvelle série de projecteur JVC X5500 amenés à remplacer la série JVC X5000 peuvent être consultées ici (en Japonais...) :

http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1034043.html

Traduction Japonais -> Anglais (meilleure que Japonais -> Français

"JVC Kenwood will release JVC brand home theater projectors "DLA - X 770 R" and "DLA - X 570 R" compatible with 4 K / 60 p video input and HDR signal Hybrid Log - Gamma (HLG) system in late December. The price is 900,000 yen for X770R, 700,000 yen for X570R. The color is X770R black (B), X570R two colors of black (B) and white (W).

DLA-X770R
 
The panel is a D-ILA projector which realizes 4K display by combining 0.7 type and Full HD D-ILA device of 1,920 × 1,080 dots, "pixel shift" technology "e-shift" technology. Compared to the '15 year model' DLA-X 750 R 'and' DLA-X 550 R ', it improves brightness and contrast, it supports HLG for HDR picture quality broadcasting, and switches automatically when HDR 10 signal is input It is a big feature that adopted "HDR auto picture mode".

The main difference between the two models is brightness and contrast ratio, as well as the higher model DLA-X770R acquired THX 3D display standard certification. It also has its own "Real Color Imaging Technology" to realize "film quality" faithful to original images.

Supports full-spec 4K video input compatible with 18 Gbps transmission band such as 4K / 60p 4: 4: 4 signal, 4K / 60p 4: 2: 2/36 bit, 4K / 24p 4: 4: 4/36 bit. It also supports HDCP 2.2.

With the 265 W high-pressure mercury lamp and a high efficiency optical engine, the X770R has a high luminance of 1,900 lumens (the conventional model X 750 R is 1,800 lumens). Combined with D - ILA device with narrow pixel gap and high light utilization efficiency, it realizes a precise, smooth, and powerful image. It is said that you can enjoy clear and powerful 4K images.

The X570R also carries a 265 W high pressure mercury lamp, but its brightness is 1,800 lumens.

Moreover, the X770R improved the native contrast ratio from 120,000: 1 of the conventional model to 130,000: 1 by the D - ILA device and the optical engine adopting the wire grid corresponding to the high power lamp. In addition, it has "intelligent lens aperture" which analyzes the input image by its own algorithm and automatically controls the black level, and the dynamic contrast is strengthened to 1.3 million: 1 (conventional model is 1.2 million: 1). The X570R has a native contrast ratio of 40,000: 1 and a dynamic contrast of 400,000: 1.

Following the conventional model, it supports HDR video input such as UHD Blu-ray. Utilizing high native contrast, HDR content is faithfully reproducible.

Newly supports "HLG" adopted for 4K broadcast by SKY Perfect and Hikari TV, and "HDR auto picture mode" which automatically switches when HDR 10 signal is input is installed. Depending on the type of signal, it may not be switched automatically.

Also equipped with original video processing technology "Multiple Pixel Control". The new analysis algorithm adopted in the flagship model "DLA-Z1" is also adopted in the X770R / X570R. Not only 4K video but also full HD video can be converted to higher definition 4K video and expressed. Compared with conventional band processing, image detection with emphasis on higher bands ensures both sense of refinement and blurring, realizing the reality unique to 4K.

In addition, a low delay mode optimum for games etc. is also newly installed. In the same mode it reduces the display delay of PC signals and games and boosts response performance to quick operation.

As a moving picture processing technology, we will equip the "Clear Motion Drive" of moving picture interpolation corresponding also to 4K / 60p 4: 4: 4 and "Motion Enhance" controlling the driving of the D - ILA device according to the picture. It has a "pixel adjustment function" that allows delicate adjustment in units of 1/16 pixel, and it can store 2 memories. Equipped with 6 axis adjustment color management.

In addition, an auto calibration function that optimizes the image quality that varies depending on installation conditions etc. can also be used. For automatic calibration, commercially available optical sensors and dedicated software, PC, Ethernet cable are required.

Projection size is 60 to 200 type. 2x zoom lens (F3.2 ~ 4). Zoom and focus are electric. It corresponds also to the lens shift of ± 80% up and down, ± 34% right and left. A new correspondence screen has been added to "screen correction mode" which corrects color imbalance caused by the characteristics of the screen to be used.

It has two HDMI inputs and supports 3D, Deep Color, HDCP 2.2. In 3D playback, 1,920 × 1,080 dots are displayed. 3D synchro output, trigger output, RS - 232C, Ethernet etc are equipped. Fan noise is 21 dB (lamp mode: low). Power consumption is 380 W (standby time 1.5 W, eco mode standby time 0.4 W), external dimensions are common for 455 × 472 × 179 mm (width × depth × height). Weight is 15.6 kg (X 770 R) / 15.4 kg (X 570 R). The X770R also has a lens cover."


et à la lecture on peut constater qu'il n'y a aucune révolution du style inclusion d'une matrice UHD/4K, dans cette nouvelle série X5500. Celle-ci correspondant en fait à une évolution de la série X5000 précédente et dont il faudra attendre l'annonce officielle JVC afin d'en connaître les détails précis.

La présentation officielle par JVC de ces nouveaux projecteurs aura lieu au CES de Las Vegas début Janvier 2017. (Edit Hugo 23 Déc)

Hugo

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Message » 22 Déc 2016 0:35

re Bonjour,

Une autre "rumeur"... :D

sur AVS, Javs a écrit: Some very good news, based on a rumour again from a Japanese forum website, which has so far been very credible in the information - seems they are in direct contact with the actual designers. It now looks like Spectro's such as the iPro2 will be supported in the new version of the JVC Autocal software. This is a big deal for calibration. Hopefully the iDisplay Pro will also be supported now and we can get rid of our pathetic Spyder meters.

"The manual of this product can be downloaded from the JVC site. It is very interesting to know HDR 10 and HLG's HDR and BT.2020 correspondence method, the latest JVC parameters of image quality adjustment, etc. In terms of mastery, JVC is much more user-adjustable than Sony's projector, and the rewarding tradition has not changed. With VPL - VW 5000, Sony finally can not use image director (PC software which can freely adjust the gamma curve with 10 - bit precision separately for RGB). In a sense, it can be said that it is "super-high-performance baka-chao" (I use this word while understanding what is taken as a discrimination term because I can not think of other well-written words).

The calibration tool is still under preparation. It is interesting to see how the workflow, measurement result / adjustment result changes with the fact that spectroscopic i1Pro2 can be used for color meter
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Message » 22 Déc 2016 9:24

Merci pour les premières news même si c'est forcément décevant de ne pas voir arriver du 4k natif ni de lampes leds. Ce qui est bien avec JVC c'est qu'on ne risque pas de surprises au niveau form factor, toujours le même boitier, la même télécommande depuis des années, le module 3d toujours en verrue et pas intégré en natif, seule petite folie on peut encore choisir boitier noir ou blanc :hehe:
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Message » 22 Déc 2016 10:41

FreqResPlot a écrit:Merci pour les premières news même si c'est forcément décevant de ne pas voir arriver du 4k natif ni de lampes leds. Ce qui est bien avec JVC c'est qu'on ne risque pas de surprises au niveau form factor, toujours le même boitier, la même télécommande depuis des années, le module 3d toujours en verrue et pas intégré en natif, seule petite folie on peut encore choisir boitier noir ou blanc :hehe:


ah non, tu as encore le choix entre blanc mat (x5000) et blanc brillant (x7000-9000) et noir mat (x5000) et noir brillant (x7000-x9000), royal :mdr:
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Message » 22 Déc 2016 15:25

En théorie, les premières pièces arriveront fin janvier. Il y a un embargo sur les spécifications jusqu'au CES 2017

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Message » 23 Déc 2016 0:29

Hi Richard,

MERCI à Toi.

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Message » 23 Déc 2016 10:57

Bonjour
Ce qu'on attend surtout comme amélioration sur les X000 tant que.on reste dans les mêmes solutions techniques c'est une meilleure gestion de l'HDR
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Message » 23 Déc 2016 11:10

... et une détection hdmi plus rapide ...
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Message » 23 Déc 2016 13:20

Je ne suis pas certain que le X5000 sera remplacé.. mais on en apprendra plus prochainement.

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Message » 23 Déc 2016 14:33

FreqResPlot a écrit:... et une détection hdmi plus rapide ...


et un mode lampe haut / haute altitude un poil moins bruyant..

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Message » 23 Déc 2016 14:46

Un "Input lag" amélioré serait judicieux, sur ce point JVC est clairement le mauvais élève de la classe !!
Sur les jeux rapide avec le X5000 c'est juste injouable. :roll:
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Message » 23 Déc 2016 21:34

Bonjour,

Des infos complémentaires :

sur AVS, Javs a écrit:X5500 / X570R - 1700lm - 40k:1
X7500 / X770R - 1900lm - 130k:1
X9500 / X970R - 2000lm - 160k:1

HDR / HDR 10 full auto compatible.

More info to come I guess...

Now that I have seen the lumens and contrast numbers leak elsewhere on a Japanese site, I can repeat them here... this is what I have already been told by JVC so I know its correct.


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Message » 23 Déc 2016 22:20

Bonjour,

Quelques recherches complémentaires permettent d'officiellement découvrir tous ces nouveaux produits ici (en Japonais) :

http://www3.jvckenwood.com/projector/

ce qui permet de faire la comparaison suivante (avec traduction en Anglais ) :

JVC X550 (X5000).JPG
Actuel JVC X5000 caractéristiques


JVC X570 (X5500).JPG
Futur JVC X5500 caractéristiques


Chacun se fera sa propre opinion quant aux différences (mis à part la compatibilité HLG). :thks:

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Message » 24 Déc 2016 16:54

c'est pas la révolution mais dans mon cas, ce qui m’empêchait de passer chez eux était l'input lag, et avec ce modèle ils s'y penchent enfin
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Message » 28 Déc 2016 13:34

Bonjour,

Petit résumé :

sur AVS, Javs a écrit:
Originally Posted by curtishd qui a écrit:
I know, but I was just hoping for a leak or two. My request is for Dolby Vision. I know the DV specs can't be achieved (with a projector that isn't laser at least) but it more about support and compatibility.
I'd also like the projector to auto detect HDR and have the ability at the display to turn it off and on but still use the wcg.
Heck while I'm at it include HLG.


This has all been answered,

Read the thread and follow the links posted in the last 10 pages or so... we know everything about these projectors. 10 minutes of your time reading back pages will answer every question you have.

On the 7500 and 9500, Contrast has increased 10k:1 on each model. Lumens increased 100lm on each model.

There is now a gaming low lag mode, which will work in 4K also. Also said to be VERY good for films. So it sounds like motion may possibly be improved with this option on. The only thing that does NOT work in tandem when this option is switch on is CMD.

The MPC algorithms have been totally replaced with updated versions from the development of the Z1, so the upscaling etc is supposed to be sharper and more refined, less artefacts.

There will be no Dolby Vision.

HDR will autodetect and switch modes. No firm word on weather BT2020 will auto-detect yet.

It has HLG.

You will not be able to switch off HDR at the projector and force SDR. That is to say, if you feed the projector an HDR source, you cannot strip the metadata and have it display SDR BT2020 unless you do it the same way we have been currently with previous models, Panasonic / Samsung + HD Fury etc.. So there is no Built In HD Fury Integral in the projector.

End of story. Nothing else.


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sur AVS, Hugo S a écrit:
Hi,
Originally Posted by Seegs108 qui a écrit:
True, but it could make a very good guess if you were to tell it screen size and gain. Add this function in the menu system. JVC can tell the projector what the relative lumen output is based upon throw, iris position, lamp mode and lamp age based upon their own R&D for each projector model. Obviously these numbers won't be perfect, but they'll be close in a relative sense and that's still quite a bit better than nothing. The projector knows these things due to how they're set in the menu system and could figure the throw based on the lens memory feature they've implemented in these units. Hell, JVC could even add a lux metering device inside the light engine too. JVC could easily guess a nit peak white level this way and auto-implement proper HDR to SDR conversion or even tone map HDR to a lesser-but-still-better-than-SDR version of the HDR movie if it had this information. Essentially it would be HDR tone mapped to the exact capabilities of the projector. This would be what the Lumagen Pro does or will do (not sure if their software is 100% working on this yet).


This may be reason of the addition of the use of a i1Display Pro in the new JVC autocal process, somebody mentioned earlier in this post...

Being able to globalize the autocal process, by precisely measuring on site, the actual reflected light (i1), directly compared to the output luminance measured by a Spyder 5 during an autocal process.

Now that would be something...

Hugo



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