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Message » 21 Déc 2004 17:34

Ahhhh, ouais je me disais aussi... :mdr:
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Message » 21 Déc 2004 17:37

Eldudo a écrit:Le post rock c''est comme la post combustion, d'où l'essence.


:o C'est ce qu'je dis toujours à mon garagiste... :roll:
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Message » 21 Déc 2004 17:44

Pacaya a écrit:
Han Solo a écrit:Pacaya : pourrais-tu essayer de te filmer en train d'effectuer cette pirouette silteplé ?

Pffff, impayable Han :-?


Je suis mort de rire là !!!

trop fort avec l'album d'explosion !!!
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Message » 21 Déc 2004 17:45

j'en remet une couche : j'aime beaucoup le déhanchement final !!!

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Message » 21 Déc 2004 17:46

BON ALORS BAD TU NOUS DONNES TA DEFINITION DU POST ROCK ???!!!

merci
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Message » 21 Déc 2004 17:47

hein ?
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Message » 21 Déc 2004 17:48

ben c'est quand même toi l'initiateur de ce merveilleux post non ?

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Message » 21 Déc 2004 17:56

bon le post-rock c'est comme les montagnes russes, tu te dis que c'est pas si terrible que ça, mais à peine as-tu dis cela que ça t'arraches les tripes, les oreilles, les ****s.... :lol: et hop ça ralentit, argggh ça repart...etc...


J'ai bon là ? :oops: :mdr:
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Message » 21 Déc 2004 18:14

J'ai encore dis une c.onnerie ? :cry:
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Message » 21 Déc 2004 18:27

et le post BAD c'est quoi ?? Winch peut être ?? :lol:
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Message » 21 Déc 2004 18:41

A la question "Quelle est la définition du post-rock ?", le batteur de Mogwaï répondait que c'est le fait d'aller boire un verre après le show. Ca peut prêter à sourire, mais il serait hasardeux de dire que le post-rock ne se définit que par des riffs lancinants, un peu de saturation, une musique répétitive, longue et instrumentale etc... Car on trouvera toujours des exceptions. Surtout que certains groupes flirtent entre le post-rock, le sludge voire le doom, comme Bongzilla (je suppose que quelqu'un va citer cette dernière phrase pour me dire que j'ai tort :lol:)...

En définitive, je pense qu'il serait plus interessant que chacun donne ses albums préférés, sans trop se soucier de savoir si ça rentre vraiment dans la catégorie post-rock, non ?
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Message » 21 Déc 2004 22:35

Pacaya a écrit:
En définitive, je pense qu'il serait plus interessant que chacun donne ses albums préférés, sans trop se soucier de savoir si ça rentre vraiment dans la catégorie post-rock, non ?


Ouai, mais quand même.
Un de mes albums préférés est le concert à Central park de Simon et Garfunkel et je suis sur que ce n'est pas du post rock ;-) :mdr:

Pour moi, le post rock c'est de la musique (rock) avec des guitares et que malgré tout j'aime (j'avoue, j'ai du mal avec les guitares électriques).

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Message » 22 Déc 2004 10:49

Ahhhh le post Rock c'est du rock avec des guitares ? :mdr: J'rigole le Dude, pas taper :wink:

Allo Google ?

Although not called post rock at the time, two bands exemplified the sound and influenced future musicians throughout the 80's. The first was Durutti Column. Vini Reilly, the mind and guitar behind Durutti Column, was a former punk who had an affection for folk and jazz guitar. His compositions heavily featured an arpeggio guitar effect and often little more than a drum line and vocals. From the beginning and even more so in the late 80's, the songs of the Durutti Column had a much different tone than that of their contemporaries of the Factory Records circle like Joy Division, Section 25, A Certain Ratio and later New Order. With dense atmospheric guitar textures, the songs had a base in rock but sounded like something else, often bordering on new age. The albums of the Durutti Column are hailed as ambitious and brilliant.

The other 80's band to have a major impact on the post rock phenomena is Talk Talk. Although most people only know them for their early songs which were pure synth pop, by 1986 they were well on their way to creating some of the most unclassifiable and respected music ever. Their album The Colour Of Spring featured their most accomplished synth pop based songs, but also included the song "Chameleon Day" which was a totally different direction for the band. The song was simply sparse piano, very emotive vocals and some sort of odd sounding horn. On the 1988 album Spirit Of Eden the electronics were gone and in their place was an ensemble of horns and acoustic instruments. The band had rejected structure in exchange for atmosphere and were completely outside of anything rock based. Talk Talk's last album Laughing Stock stepped even further in this direction, incorporating elements of free jazz, ambient and organic sounds. They had become the polar opposite of the straight forward and highly structured band of their beginnings.

The actual term "Post-Rock" was coined in 1993 when writer Simon Reynolds was describing the debut album Hex by Bark Psychosis. The album is a mixture of lush landscape textures, acoustic instruments and moody overtones, which drew heavily from Talk Talk's later period material. Not coincidentally, Talk Talk member Lee Harris appears on the album as an "assistant."

The other, more traditional side of Post Rock's beginnings can be found in the Louisville Kentucky band Slint. The 1991 album Spiderland is one of the most influential and underrated albums of the 90's. Slint used the basic guitar, bass, drums and vocals set up but, they were revolutionary in the way that they used them. Spiderland featured toned down angular twin guitars interspersed with unrestrained sonic bursts. The song progressions were long and rambling but seemed very mathematically calculated. The music was accentuated by the barely audible spoken vocals of Brian McMahan. Their sound has been so copped by other bands, that it's become a running joke in the indie community to say "they sound just like Slint" when describing a band.

Another scene sprang up in the early and mid nineties in Chicago's Wicker Park. David Grubbs, who was coincidentally also a native of Louisville Kentucky, was involved in a New York thrash metal project with John McEntire called Bastro. Grubbs had moved to Chicago (soon followed by McEntire) to attend grad school and was studying the writings and music of experimental composer John Cage and other contemporary poets. Bastro soon changed their name to Gastr del Sol to persue a new direction. GdS's first album, The Serpentine Similar from 1993, was a cut and paste collection of dissonant atmospheres, odd piano chords, noisy bursts and interspersed guitar lines. It took influences from John Cage and questioned the basic ideology of "rock" music, an intentional backlash to the testosterone fueled music of Nirvana. Soon after, GdS musicians John McEntire and Bundy K Brown moved on to form Tortoise, while Grubbs called on Jim O'Rourke to help with the second GdS record. Since then, the work of GdS, Tortoise and subsequent solo outing's have been highly acclaimed and influential.

Today, Post Rock has come to be a term used for a band who has roots in indie rock, but incorporates other styles into the music making it nontraditional. Bands like Tortoise, Labradford, To Rococo Rot, Cul de Sac and Third Eye Foundation don't really sound anything alike but, they all incorporate something other into the music, be it jazz, ambient, electronic or ambient into their sound, creating something entirely. Flying Saucer Attack, Amp and again, Third Eye Foundation all use heavily effected psychedelic guitar mixed with elements of folk. Rodan, June of '44, The For Carnation, Don Cabellero, The Sonora Pine, Rex and dozens of others all sound just like Slint (to one degree or other).

The Post Rock scene is an exciting alternative to recycled alternative. There is constant growth from established artists and always a new and interesting band on the horizon. One newer band, Sigur Ros use huge swells of bowed guitars and completely otherworldly vocals over their mellow bass, drums, organ and piano line up to create something of amazing beauty. Another band, Hood started out as a band with Slint dynamics but have evolved into an guitar based ambient group with an autumnal feel. While the term "Post Rock" is silly in that it is a label to categorize bands that don't fit into other categories, the artists usually associated with it are some of the most creative and purely honest bands around today.
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Message » 22 Déc 2004 11:39

tiens j'ai déjà lu ca quelque part, hein Pacaya ?! :lol:

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Message » 22 Déc 2004 12:00

lameugne a écrit:Ahhhh le post Rock c'est du rock avec des guitares ? :mdr: J'rigole le Dude, pas taper :wink:


:_) ma phrase était tendancieuse. En fait, j'ai du mal avec les guitares électriques. Je fais carrément un blocage sur la musiques rock des 70's pour cette raison là.
Et pour moi, le post -rock, c'est du rock (donc avec des guitares) que je peux écouter et que j'aime.
J'y ajoute aussi les groupes, tels Swallow, Slowdive, Mojave 3 (issus de 4AD)....

Définition toute personnelle.

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