je plane ... un Sharp Z10000 à 2500€ ... un MC12+LX7 à 3000€

[laric]

Oui, simple et efficace est bien connu...

Sur ebay (ou équivalent) il n'y as pas 36 solutions, soit ce sont des petites sommes et c'est à vous de voir, soit c'est de grosses sommes et là stop... ! Le SEUL moyen c'est d'aller prendre le matos sur place... (je l'ai fait ) ou de savoir que c'est un vendeur avec un trés grande réputation... (Curt Palm par exemple pour des TT) mais il y en as trés trés peu...

--Patrice

[Patrice]

Oui, simple et efficace est bien connu...

Sur ebay (ou équivalent) il n'y as pas 36 solutions, soit ce sont des petites sommes et c'est à vous de voir, soit c'est de grosses sommes et là stop... ! Le SEUL moyen c'est d'aller prendre le matos sur place... (je l'ai fait ) ou de savoir que c'est un vendeur avec un trés grande réputation... (Curt Palm par exemple pour des TT) mais il y en as trés trés peu...

--Patrice

d'après ce que j'avais compris, ils attaquent d'abord par la vente de très nombreuses choses de faible valeure afin d'avoir des notes positives, quitte à les acheter eux-même.
Après toutes ces notes positives, çà permet de mettre le pigeon en confiance et de le plumer

[vmk]

A propos de l'annonce citée au début je me suis amusé à contacter le vendeur, sachant qu'il y a déjà tous les signes de l'arnaque:

- durée initiale d'enchère très courte : 3 jours
- prix très bas et pas de prix de réserve
- pays d'origine douteux = espagne (idem pour italie, roumanie)

Voici la réponse que j'ai reçue:

Here are all the details regarding the deal:


The buy it now price is 2500euro with shipment included to France.

The product is brand new, factory sealed with ALL the accesories.It will come with waranty fully transferable to your name.
It will come with the receipt from the authorized
dealer and there will be no problem for you to use the warranty.

Shipping: l will ship via UPS but you can choose other mail carrier .lt
usually takes 48 hours till the package arrives to your door. l will
cover the shipping and insurance costs.

Payment: l'm a serious seller with more than 2 years of experience in
this field.
l'm a fair trader with a very good feedback on ebay which is the
proof that l have closed a lot of sucessful deals.
During this period l learned that the best deals are closed when the
risk involved is minimum.
You will arrange payment through western union(www.westernunion.com) .

I have something safe for you because I want you to be sure that
you will receive the product and I hope we will colaborate in future too
because I want to develop this bussines as soon as possible.

Look what I can do for you:
-you will make the transfer to my location but not to my name(you will
use your best friends name for example as receiver's name)so you can be sure that i will not pick up the money untill you get the product.So
you make a deposit at western union and you will
give me the transfer's details(SENDER NAME,RECEIVER NAME,MTCN) so i can check that the deposit was made .
After i verify I will send you the product imediately and email you the
tracking number from UPS.

-only after you will receive the product and check it if it ok you will
have to change the of the transfer to my name so i can collect my
money.So untill you
will have the product in your hands the money will be deposited on
your best friend's name at western union agent.

I think it is better to not inform western union that you will change the
receivers name in a few days because it is possible
they to ask you to pay the fees twice.


My old buyers of course make the transfer at western union direct to my
name which is easier and i will be happy if you can trust in me but because it is our
first deal i proposed you this very safe and efficient method so you can
only deposit the money first and after you get the product to allowed
me to cash it.


Probably this payment method it is not very familiar to you but since i
am in SPain (where is a lot of birocracy )l have used it for many
times and each of my customers being satisfied and l have to admit that it is most efficient process to go through.

Return policy: 20 days

Le truc c'est évidemment qu'avec le transfert Wertern Union il est sûr de toucher l'argent même au nom du soi-disant copain.

Quant aux notations, c'est assez facile à obtenir avec un peu de temps, de plus on voit qu'il a surtout été acheteur...

A bon entendeur...

[OO7livier]

S@lut à tous ! !

Et que pensez-vous de :
COD (cash on delivery) is not accepted. U can make a secure westernunion transfer. When u fillin the transfer form, u have the option of putting a test question and answer for your transfer. This is for your extra protection. This enables you to secure your transfer. U can get a transfert number when u make the transfer. This enables the availability of funds online. Once this online verification is done funds will be transferred and after u get the product and if u are 100% satisfatory with it, you can disclose the test question and password to the dealer to enable him to encash the transfer.
Westernunion is a 100% trustable and secure money transfer agent. If provides you total security for your transfer and the transfer you make wont be encashed unless ans untill u wish for the same.

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[nico-]

edité pendant que l' on peut encore le faire

[laric]

Salut,

Oui, pas de soucis et ca marche très bien (pensez à la commission), mais je pari qu'ils ne vont pas vouloir

--Patrice

[Patrice]

Salut,

Oui, pas de soucis et ca marche très bien (pensez à la commission), mais je pari qu'ils ne vont pas vouloir

--Patrice

toi alors, t'es d'un soupçonneux !

[OO7livier]

S@lut à tous ! !

A lire, un autre exemple :

I am right now in Spain with this kind of deal and I prefere to receive the
money via Western Union wire transfer ,because its fast and trouble free and
as a shipping carrier i will use UPS express services because I have worked
with them in the past and they were very fast and secure.Now,I understand u
need protection for yourself and I need protection for myself so please take
a good look at the situation:

My feedback rating speaks for itself. I am a completely trustworthy person.
I take online transactions extremely seriously.I am a man of my word and I
will promise to do this deal safe. I will allow you to send this to a third
party name via WU. I am not trying to be difficult, I am trying to run this
deal legitimately and smoothly.I know that it is a large sum of money to
just be sending blindly.

You do sound and honest and a genuine person and i'm like you in that and I
want everything to be 100% fine.Tell you what, you'll put the money in
another name(your best friend
name for example), but with my location(Spain) to know when the money have
arrived to my country.This way I'll be able to track the transaction and
check that the amount has been deposited accordingly.

Upon receiving the package with the product in it, you will check it the same day and e-mail me back confirming it is all ok and that you have
changed the name on the transaction itself to mine. This will enable me to
pickup the money and i hope we can continue to do business on a regular
occurence which is very swift, hassle free and beneficial to the both of us.Let me know asap what you think. Kindest Regards.


C'est quand même curieux, non ???

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