[EPP] 2013 : Plasma Samsung F8500

[spiderman93]

il reste Samsung , LG et Pana mais bon l'avenir est l'oled donc c'est sur ils vont tous s'y mettre

[Bruno_Avi]

en parlant de plasma pana donc que du bon pour Samsung

Depuis plusieurs mois, les rumeurs sur l'arrêt des téléviseurs Plasma par Panasonic s'enchaînent, la dernière en date faisant étant de l'arrêt de la division recherche et développement sur le Plasma afin de se focaliser sur l'OLED et les TV Ultra HD. Aujourd'hui, le quotidien économique Nikkei annonce la fin de la production de TV Plasma chez Panasonic dès 2014.

Samsung va suivre, s'ils ne le font pas pour des raisons commerciales, ils le feront pour des raisons de nécéssité technologique, l'Oled représentant l'avenir des téléviseurs à écran plat pour les avantages qu'il offre par rapport à led/lcd/plasma. Il faudra encore qques années de maturation pour cette technologie, mais c'est un fait que d'ici 2-3 ans on trouvera de moins en moins d'écrans led/lcd/plasma chez n'importe quel fabricant, au profit des oled. C'est juste une évolution inéluctable.

[fouche]

Une durée de vie identique sur toute la palette de couleur serait déjà un bon début. Une fois qu'ils auront trouvé comment faire, alors peut-être que le OLED sera prêt à être commercialisé.

[Bruno_Avi]

Une durée de vie identique sur toute la palette de couleur serait déjà un bon début. Une fois qu'ils auront trouvé comment faire, alors peut-être que le OLED sera prêt à être commercialisé.

Exact, bien qu'ils disent que le problème du bleu qui se détériore plus vite que le rouge et le vert ait été déjà résolu. A tester en pratique.
Cela fait partie de la maturation du produit, comme la durée de vie, la sensibilité à l'humidité et le coût de production encore bien trop élevé.
D'ici 3 ans la maturation sera assez avancée et les feedbacks auront déjà été assez nombreux pour ne pas acheter un chat dans un sac. D'ici là, plasma et led resteront encore un choix de raison.

[Bruno_Avi]

Il y a un gars qui a vu le F8500 à l'oeuvre et dit ne pas en avoirt été impressionné plus que ca. Il admet néanmoins que l'écran n'était pas calibré...

http://www.highdefjunkies.com/plasma-di ... Ur71KyGe-U

So I just returned from a two hour stint at my local RC Willey here in Sacramento playing around with the new 64F8500 plasma, which by the way, was located well within eye shot of last year's Panasonic 65VT50. Knowing full well that the showroom enviornment at RC Willey is far from good to really judge the picture quality of any TV, I came away from my two hour viewing of the F8500 unimpressed. What really shocked me was how well last years VT50 looked in comparison. Again, neither set was professionally ISF calibrated, nor was the lighting conditions no where near the best, but having said that, besides the great physical look of the frame and stand of the F8500, I dont think the ZT60, or maybe even the VT60 has anything to worry about. I was viewing a Directv HD feed of the same Golf Channel and HBO stations. I did not see Blu-Ray source material. In conclusion, unless the F8500 has the ability to totally transform the picture quality through ISF calibration, the out of box picture settings were nothing special. The bells and whistles and procesing speed are impressive, but picture qulaity does not come close to a new reference standard.

[realzven]

Il y a un gars qui a vu le F8500 à l'oeuvre et dit ne pas en avoirt été impressionné plus que ca. Il admet néanmoins que l'écran n'était pas calibré...

http://www.highdefjunkies.com/plasma-di ... Ur71KyGe-U

So I just returned from a two hour stint at my local RC Willey here in Sacramento playing around with the new 64F8500 plasma, which by the way, was located well within eye shot of last year's Panasonic 65VT50. Knowing full well that the showroom enviornment at RC Willey is far from good to really judge the picture quality of any TV, I came away from my two hour viewing of the F8500 unimpressed. What really shocked me was how well last years VT50 looked in comparison. Again, neither set was professionally ISF calibrated, nor was the lighting conditions no where near the best, but having said that, besides the great physical look of the frame and stand of the F8500, I dont think the ZT60, or maybe even the VT60 has anything to worry about. I was viewing a Directv HD feed of the same Golf Channel and HBO stations. I did not see Blu-Ray source material. In conclusion, unless the F8500 has the ability to totally transform the picture quality through ISF calibration, the out of box picture settings were nothing special. The bells and whistles and procesing speed are impressive, but picture qulaity does not come close to a new reference standard.

Sur AVS Forum "rrollens" a posté la même chose, par contre il faut prendre en considération les passages en gras

[realzven]

sur AVS Forum, "rrollens" est retourné dans son magasin revoir le F8500 et ce n'est pas la même chose :

Just returned from my second viewing of the 64F8500 at the Roseville California RC Willey Store. Boy was my first impression wrong. This is a great TV. Samsung has finally raised the bar to be able to compete with Panasonic for the best plasma TV. The F8500 is clearly in the league with the VT50, question is, will it best this year's VT60 and ZT60? Just like last year, I am really hoping that there will be a consensus winner (the VT50) for "Best of the Best" plasma TV. The F8500 will definately be in the mix in this year's competition.

Since I saw the F8500 last Friday, they had moved it to a different location that absolutely changed the way the picture looked. The lighting right now is still bad (way too much indirect and direct lighting...a spot light of all things shining down on the front of the screen!) but much better then what I saw on Friday. When I got to the store I realized I had left the pro settings I was going to use at home. Wont be able to get back there until Saturday. What I did do though, was to watch in Movie Mode with the Cell Light adjustment at 10, David Foster's Hit Man DVD. I am very familiar with this great DVD which has great both content and video quality. The F8500 with this very slightly modified out of box Movie pre-set looked way better then my 65VT30. I really cant wait until Saturday when I can plug in a complete set of pro adjustments and see what this baby can do before an ISF calabration. The F8500 produced a better picture then my two year old VT30 that has been calabrated by one of the very best in the business, Kevin Miller. The blacks were blacker, the colors deeper and more accurate, and the depth of the picture much better as well. It was all around a much better viewing experience. At one point I had to stop and look to make sure it was the same TV that I had seen last week! On the drive home, I was thinking that my expectations were way too high that somehow the F8500 was going to be so much better then anything I have ever seen. It is better then my VT30 I know that for sure. How it compares to the VT60 and ZT60, time will tell. My local Magnolia Hi Fi will be receiving their F8500s this week. The store manager is going to set uo the F8500 next to the VT50. Their viewing enviornment is much better then big box RC Willey. Ill take pictures and post them of the Magnolia side-by-side set-up later this week. I will also report and post pictures after I return on Saturday from applying the pro setting that I was sent to the F8500.

I did take pictures of tonight's outing, and will post right away. There are five pictures. Two of the backside of the F8500 showing the left side input box and the mid section power cord connector, and three pictures of the F8500 displaying some shots of the David Foster Hit Man Blu-Ray DVD. Those pictures were taken in out of box Movie Mode with Cell Light at 10. Hope all this is informative.

BTW, Floridaman, it seems the F8500 may not have as many CMS settings as the VT50. I was unable to get access to do a side by side comparision tonight (Ill try again on Saturday), but I am familier with the settings on my VT30, and it looked like the F8500 did not have as many as my VT30.

[realzven]

le PN64F8500 est arrivé chez Cleveland Plasma donc la review de chad B pour bientôt

[realzven]

1er retours de Mr Robert Zohn sur homtheatershack :

Impressions fromthe break in process while viewing content. Better blacks than VT50 and F8000. Brighter than VT50, but not F8000. Better Color saturation and accuracy than both VT50 and F8000. Appears to be sharper than both VT50 and F8000

from Robert with V.E.

Okay, I let a little snip-it out. We received the 51" and 60" F8500s last Friday and we've been running break-in slides ever since. In between we'll all been viewing video content and doing comparisons as we have the 51" F8500 butt next to the 55" F8000 and VT50 and here's a few comments on what we are seeing.

The F8500 is the best of the lot.

The F8500 is clearly blacker (without crushing)
Brighter than the VT50, but not the F8000
The F8500 has better color accuracy and color saturation than the VT50 and F8000.
The F8000 is still the brightest of the group. One attribute that I can't understand why, but the F8500 appears to deliver a sharper image. I would imagine that is due to the more saturated colors, but we'll know more on this once Kevin Miller does his evaluation and calibration.

Kevin will be evaluating and calibrating the 51" and 60" so we can determine if there are any variances between screen sizes of the F8500. The 64" F8500 has only been released to Amazon and a handful of large direct dealers. My 64" F8500 allocation is due next week.

Enjoy!

[fab92]

intéressant tout ça

[manuxs]

le PN64F8500 est arrivé chez Cleveland Plasma donc la review de chad B pour bientôt

Raaaaahh
Y a pas à dire, que ce soit pour les LED ou les plasma, même les cartons d'emballage des écrans Samsung font envie (tout le contraire des mochetés marrons de Panasonic).

On peut acheter les écrans Samsung sur Amazon.com. Ca tente personne ?

[realzven]

intéressant tout ça

bon vaut mieux attendre les mesures mais à l'oeil le F8500 à l'air impressionnant

[lcdmen]

mais ça peut être different des models européens au niveau des tuners,donc il faut faire attention avant de s'engager !

[realzven]

mais ça peut être different des models européens au niveau des tuners,donc il faut faire attention avant de s'engager !

à part les histoire de tuner et 2/3 gadgets les samsung sont quasi identique pour le monde à la différence des pana qui sont différent selon la zone (USA, Amérique du Sud, asie / europe, afrique)

[manuxs]

mais ça peut être different des models européens au niveau des tuners,donc il faut faire attention avant de s'engager !

à part les histoire de tuner et 2/3 gadgets les samsung sont quasi identique pour le monde à la différence des pana qui sont différent selon la zone (USA, Amérique du Sud, asie / europe, afrique)

C'est quand même hyper tentant ...
Maintenant, y a quand même un risque important de casse (dans le cas d'une TV, je sais qu'Amazon ne protège pas avec un sur-emballage et que c'est directement le carton de la TV que l'on reçoit), le risque de vol, le risque si besoin d'un SAV (pas sûr que le SAV français intervienne) + les problèmes liés au tuner différent (mais si on passe pas une freebox ou autres, ça peut peut-être moins jouer).